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I find myself liking Mr Kimmel less and less these days. I wonder if Pelosi or Bloomberg coached him on this speech the way Senator Schumer allegedly coached him on his healthcare speech. I guess I don't appreciate the emotionalism thing he does. Anyway, hwas better when he had Adam Corolla to balance him out.
hwas = he was
Agreed. The gist of Kimmel is if you don’t agree with him you’re an awful, stupid person who just doesn’t care. All the talk and lectures like this is why we can’t unify as a country.
Before i say anything further know that this is not a political statement and I believe fully in the 2nd amendment. Also, yes Jimmy and most of hollywood like to lecture us and yes if we dont agree then we are rednecks who dont care. HOWEVER, i dont find myself disagreeing with most of his points. I don't think anyone with mental illness should be allowed to buy a gun. I do think we need better mental health programs in this country which we spend little to no money on. I don't really think anyone needs to have a AR-15 (my dad has one and yes its a blast to shoot). I certainly dont believe anyone needs a high capacity magazine. We do need increased back ground checks. Frankly the majority of the country agrees with these points, however the NRA wields so much influence in congress nothing ever gets done. if one republican voted against their wishes they would be through. Again, im not getting political here. I've voted republican my whole life so you cant accuse me of being liberal. I think there are common sense things that must be done other wise we will continue to have things like this happen.
I appreciate your candor. I can also agree that the mentally ill should not have guns, provided we never get to the point where being mentally ill includes having value structures and beliefs that might not be popular.
I have to disagree with you on the second amendment though. Did you know more people are killed in Chicago each month than were shot in Vegas? Chicago homocides do not have high levels of AR useage or involove high capacity magazines, but Chicago does have high levels of gun control. I understand you're not being political, and my disagreement is only one of ideas, and is not personal. No hard feelings, I assure you.
But, if any politician votes against my first or second amendment rights, may they be removed from office and never hold office again. I am extremely passionate about both. Also, I do not believe the majority of the country agrees with your stance. I have heard that line touted, but I personally know of only a small few people who actually agree with those things. I don't trust it because I've only heard it from people who have an agenda for increased gun control.
I know from your other posts and interactions, you're a completely reasonable guy with good taste, no ill will. You're not wrong to have the views you do; I just chose to see the issue differently.
Chicago has a HUGE problem. Its certainly one that many do not want to talk about or deal with. I do think they are two different problems though as a majority of the chicago homicides are gang related.
Mostly it just makes me sick to think that one person was able to get off 400+ rounds by himself and inflict so much harm. I am for laws that can help reduce the ability for that to happen again.
I have guns of my own and I will always have them. That is my right, but something has to change here.
I really am sympathetic. It's a horrible tragedy. I just don't believe it wise that, in a fit of emotion, we modify our most basic of rights for an illusion of safety. Yes, I clearly and with good reason say that gun restrictions will only bring an illusion of safety. Humans are cunning, and enough of us are evil, and evil will always find a way to manifest itself.
And yes! Please do keep your guns; the world needs good men, armed and prepared to stop evil when it arises.
1. Please define "mental illness"?
Depression, anxiety, a vet (or not) with PTSD?? And who gets to decide that? And why?
2. "I don't really think anyone needs to have a AR-15 (my dad has one and yes its a blast to shoot). "
Needs??? Last time I checked the constitution isn't about "needs" but RIGHTS. Why do you NEED your privacy? Why do you NEED protection from warrantless searches? Do you have something to hide? Why do you need freedom of speech.
I think you're forgetting that the 2nd amendment says. "A well regulated Militia, being NECESSARY to the security of a free State..." And before you start in of the "well regulated part"... Well regulated in the 18th century meant "practiced and well equipped." You can see this from the writings of the founders of the time. See the Federalist papers.
3. "We do need increased back ground checks"...
Please explain how a back ground check would have stopped this mass shooting or any recent one for that matter. Almost every single recent mass shooting, the individual DID PASS a background check or they stole their firearms.
4. "Frankly the majority of the country agrees with these points..."
Please support this with data. I've seen exactly the opposite. In fact I see Law Enforcement groups that disagree with this across the board.
See here: https://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6183787-PoliceOnes-Gun-Control-Survey-11-key-lessons-from-officers-perspectives/
5. "however the NRA wields so much influence in congress nothing ever gets done. if one republican voted against their wishes they would be through"
I'm sorry this is a completely ridiculous statement not grounded in fact at all.
6. "I think there are common sense things that must be done other wise we will continue to have things like this happen."
Again... nothing you have suggested would have prevented THIS attack or almost any other mass shooting in this country. So making blanket feel-good statements like this, claiming that the proverbial "something ", "must be done" and acting like the NRA and it's members are the only ones holding the rest of us up from very easily stopping these things is flat out absurd.
You may claim to be a republican and I have no reason to think you're being disingenuous - but you seem thoroughly confused about gun control and it's data.
Also this. The NRA gave roughly 3.5 million to congress members for their election races since 1998.
Total spent on the 2016 presidential election - 6.8 BILLION... with a B.
In 2016 total donated to house and senate races exceeded $412 Million dollars. https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/
List of top 50 entities that gave to candidates, parties and PACS:https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
Here is a list of the top individual givers... you have to go to 60th to match the amount give by the NRA...
...and the NRA gave that total amount OVER 19 YEARS!!
Tell me more how the big bad NRA is buying our government??
I only thing I see the ex co-host of the Man Show
I like Jimmy Kimmel, and I have had a soft spot for him since he told everyone his heart felt the story of his baby son. Hell, I even teared up a little watching it. He made me emotional, and I don't even have any kids.
But ever since that day it seems to be the Jimmy is wearing his heart a little too far down on his sleeve. Don't get me wrong, what happened in Vegas was horrific and I feel really bad for the friends and family of all of those effected... but I can talk about it without practically crying. Jimmy was even getting emotional talking about the hotel fires from when he was a kid. If he doesn't get that under control this world is definitely going to eat him alive.
As far as politics go... I'm a gun owner, yet I don't think anyone should have the ability to mow down that many people in that short a time span. High capacity magazines, though fun to play around with, are too dangerous to be easily accessible. My second issue is that the news is reporting that he bought most of the weapons in the last 12 months. Maybe putting a cap on how many guns a person can purchase per year isn't such a bad idea. Two seems like a good round number to me. I've never purchased more than two guns in a one year period.
These are just my humble opinions. I'm a Libertarian living in California, surrounded by a bunch a Liberals, so what do I know?LOL
Please define "high capacity" magazine. And who gets to decide what arbitrary amount of ammo it can hold?
Also, do you know realize that this shooter could have done this with just EXTRA MAGAZINES? Do you know how easy it is to just change one? Especially given this was was alone for 15 mins to shoot as much as he wanted. I fail to see how this would have prevented this event.
Also... Why 2 firearms a year? What a silly arbitrary number. What if I shoot 3-gun and have a problem with my guns and literlly need to purchase 3 guns. Ooops I guess that's one too many!
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