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Folks, we have a problem. Blacks are killed by police in disproportionally high numbers and whites in disproportionately low numbers. Don't just look at the raw count, look at the count per millions.
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Folks, we have a problem. Blacks are killed by police in disproportionally high numbers and whites in disproportionately low numbers. Don't just look at the raw count, look at the count per millions.
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Titanheart 8 years, 3 months ago
I'm just gonna leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRb9x-RieI
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
I realize that you're not looking for a discussion on this (hence the "leave this here" comment) but just because we've made progress doesn't mean that we don't still have a problem. And I don't agree with President Obama that racism is in our DNA, not even as a nation. Nor does it being in our DNA imply that it is immutable. Bah! I too many problems with this. Going to soak my head for a bit.
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Chet_Manly 8 years, 3 months ago
Interesting that Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook are in that list, but I understand they are outliers.
I agree it's a problem but it's multifaceted and an honest discussion needs to occur acknowledging all factors even if they are tough to admit/acknowledge.
It seems that many issues would be resolved with the presence of fathers who take the job of parenting seriously. It also seems that in not addressing the fundamental role of the family, everything else becomes discussion of a symptom more so than a cause. But I'm only one guy with my own perspective.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
Totally agree. All this can tell is is what, or, who in this case. But it cannot tell us why. It may be cultural or economic or class. I just wish we had some people leading on this but not from a political angle. It needs to be addressed.
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Chet_Manly 8 years, 3 months ago
I think on a national scale, we are too divided to honestly address any large issue and try to solve it. I think we here on this thread could, but unfortunately, no one with power will be listening.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
Sigh. We come up with all the right answers here but no one listens!
What we need on a national level is leadership. What we have is politics and posturing. We need more/less gun control. We need/don't need body cameras on cops. I think we really need a committee to look at the entire system from individual neighborhoods to criminal law to the prison system and figure it out. We need leadership!
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Chet_Manly 8 years, 3 months ago
The easiest and most difficult solution is for each of us (nationally) to take responsibility for our own actions. Won't solve every problem but it'll reduce most of them.
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Titanheart 8 years, 3 months ago
I agree with both of you guys... You know as usual. I think the biggest problem is that every time anything happens somebody yells "racism" and all conversation ends.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
Totally, dude. The politicians and power brokers start yelling a solution before we've diagnosed the problem.
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Titanheart 8 years, 3 months ago
I wonder sometimes if the less we talk about it the better off we are. It sounds counter intuitive but I feel like the more people beat a particular drum, the louder it gets, the more widespread the problem itself becomes. I'm a small government guy anyway, my belief is that people don't need the government to solve all of their problems.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
You are singing sweet words to my ears here!! Legislation is not always the answer. Sometimes I think there should be a law against legislation. But no one will shut up. The victims don't believe they'll be heard and both sides of argument think the other side will win. So we all stand in a circle and yell at each other.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
And then this shows up in my twitter feed...
https://twitter.com/BookOfTamara/status/689904500098727936
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Titanheart 8 years, 3 months ago
Well you have to remember that there are a lot of people out there who cannot challenge their own beliefs, let alone the beliefs of others. They think they are open minded because they try to assimilate everything they are told they must. We have an entire culture that sincerely believes the right thing to do in a given difficult situation is to make a snide or clever post on twitter or wait to be told they should be outraged by their masters. Meanwhile the rest of us look on astonished, unable to respond because we have difficulty believing it all isn't some crazed joke.
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Chet_Manly 8 years, 3 months ago
My nomination for a national leader to not talk about our problems:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VK4kQF6Zu6w
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Titanheart 8 years, 3 months ago
We can put him in a room. Women could be brought to him, when he desires.
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Chet_Manly 8 years, 3 months ago
Ha! Only brunettes with a strong personality.
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korny09 8 years, 3 months ago
....can you please list the reason why the police killed each of these people please? This post does not give enough information for me to make a judgement in favor or opposed to the police killing any of these people.
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ahnyerkeester 8 years, 3 months ago
In a lot of those cases, it isn't clear. Some are still being investigated.
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MarkBlemish 8 years, 3 months ago
I think cops fear black people and expect trouble, that goes for black cops too. And I think black people fear cops and that effects the way they react and so it goes worse on them. And there's traditional obvious racism. And the effects of racism like poverty and learned helplessness. I have no clue what the fix is. I do recognize my own racism and am very uncomfortable with it. I do think there's an us vs them thing ingrained in all of us and until we grow up we see those who are different from us as being bad. I ramble.
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AmazngSpiderpig 8 years, 3 months ago
From first hand experience there is a national mentality among the clientele that interacts with police that "its not my fault" and "that doesn't apply to me". The African American community has had this culturally infused into it at an even higher level through years of truly sever oppression and slight. Even though the country has made steps in the right direction, one generation is not able to ever completely right the wrongs of another. All Americans need to make peace with that or the situation will not improve. Law enforcement has to enforce the laws, have microseconds to make life or death choices, and I would bet in more than ninety percent of these cases didn't have a option to back down. In reality when you look at the majority of the cases I don't think the police are the problem. The real problem is why are police being called to interact and respond to more incidents involving minorities. Why is it when officers initiate the interactions and it is not a call for service do thing escalate to such a tragic end more frequently with the minorities. It takes two to tango... Why is there never any discussion with how to interact with law enforcement but always talk about how it is the fault of the police... To over simplify when dealing with police comply with commands, if you broke the law man up and take it on the chin, and if you did not and the interaction doesn't go in your favor sue the cops for violating your rights. You can't interact with a policing presence with physical resistance of any kind without expecting things to escalate to a situation where you will lose.
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athens 8 years, 3 months ago
I see the count per millions. I also have seen the statistics on encounters with law enforcement by race. I understand completely that certain socioeconomic factors contribute to crime. But it is fairly straightforward that the more encounters a certain group have with law enforcement(per million) that you will intern have more deaths attributed to those encounters. Should there be an equal percentage of deaths by law enforcement across the board? I notice that Asians were at the bottom of this list for death by law enforcement. It is no coincidence that the smallest amount of crime(per capita) in a specific race in the United States is from the Asian community.
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