1) Good point about Robin Williams. Also, when you die your muscles relax and if you have a full bladder or bowel, that just leaks out. Where is the dignity in that? There is no dignity in death.
2) Right. There are regular reports where doctors said someone had six months or would never walk again or would never come out of a coma and they did. Or what would happen if the day after her death they discovered a miracle cure? That would be tragic, not dignified.
3) YES!! Oh, yes!!
4) I kind of get her point on this. She wanted her life and death to mean something so she picked the cause of end of life decisions. I think she made the wrong decision but I get why she went public with it.
5) The individual gets to make that decision according to euthanasia proponents. They are to do this in consultation with their doctors but it is their decision. That line is very, very fuzzy.
6) Sadly, that's probably where it will lead.
7) Well number 7 wasn't really a separate reason, was it?
Agreed on all points. And it's sad. But legislation can't be made on anecdotal situations. There is a bigger picture here, no matter how badly I feel for her.
4) For some people celebrity is the height of human aspiration (Hence Al Franken, I guess.), and actually becoming a celebrity is like ascending to Olympus. I don't mean to harsh on Brittany but it is true for many.
5) Can we be far from a diagnosis of clinical depression being allowed? Oh, crap. There it is in 6). Never mind.
The closing expresses my feelings pretty well. Lots of things went on in the past that just weren't announced. Celebrating stuff like this makes a bad announcement to young kids who just aren't ready to process it and have not developed critical "next step thinking". Maybe we are seeing part of the result with so many teen suicides.
I agree. The only thing missing here is God. As a Christian and as with most religions we believe that our lives are given by God. It is not ours to waste or cut short.
Nickolas isn't infringing on anyone's rights here by stating his Christian beliefs though. He's just presenting his faith, which is well within his rights as an American.
Thank you tmeitner. CJCS, tmeitner is correct, I am just stating my beliefs. Some Christians (and other religions) believe that God has given the gift of life. Christians that state, "Its my life and this justifies my action" are going against what is in the Bible. My belief in God is mine alone, I cannot give you the gift of belief and it would be wrong for me to impose that belief upon you no matter the manner. I do not have that power, authority or right to do so. Sorry if you mistook my post otherwise.
Absolutely, I didn't mean to imply that his beliefs infringe on anyone's rights. Rather, making legislation that effects everyone based on personal religious beliefs is unfair to those who disagree.
I have mixed emotions about the issue. As an emt, I've been the last ride to the er for too many terminally ill people. No longer able to move, control my bowels and covered in tubes and leads is not the last sight I want to have for myself either. Bankrupting my family in a fight I can't win doesn't sound good either.
But I wouldn't want her sort of media attention. If I could chose how to leave this life, I would go knowing my wife is taken care of, bills are paid. Just her and I there. Let her face be the last thing I see.
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ahnyerkeester 9 years, 5 months ago
1) Good point about Robin Williams. Also, when you die your muscles relax and if you have a full bladder or bowel, that just leaks out. Where is the dignity in that? There is no dignity in death.
2) Right. There are regular reports where doctors said someone had six months or would never walk again or would never come out of a coma and they did. Or what would happen if the day after her death they discovered a miracle cure? That would be tragic, not dignified.
3) YES!! Oh, yes!!
4) I kind of get her point on this. She wanted her life and death to mean something so she picked the cause of end of life decisions. I think she made the wrong decision but I get why she went public with it.
5) The individual gets to make that decision according to euthanasia proponents. They are to do this in consultation with their doctors but it is their decision. That line is very, very fuzzy.
6) Sadly, that's probably where it will lead.
7) Well number 7 wasn't really a separate reason, was it?
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JakeLonergan 9 years, 5 months ago
Agreed on all points. And it's sad. But legislation can't be made on anecdotal situations. There is a bigger picture here, no matter how badly I feel for her.
4) For some people celebrity is the height of human aspiration (Hence Al Franken, I guess.), and actually becoming a celebrity is like ascending to Olympus. I don't mean to harsh on Brittany but it is true for many.
5) Can we be far from a diagnosis of clinical depression being allowed? Oh, crap. There it is in 6). Never mind.
The closing expresses my feelings pretty well. Lots of things went on in the past that just weren't announced. Celebrating stuff like this makes a bad announcement to young kids who just aren't ready to process it and have not developed critical "next step thinking". Maybe we are seeing part of the result with so many teen suicides.
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tmeitner 9 years, 5 months ago
Thanks for reading, guys. What a frustrating situation!
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Nickolas 9 years, 5 months ago
I agree. The only thing missing here is God. As a Christian and as with most religions we believe that our lives are given by God. It is not ours to waste or cut short.
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cjcs 9 years, 5 months ago
As an American, your religious beliefs should have no bearing on the rights of others to make this decision for themselves.
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tmeitner 9 years, 5 months ago
Nickolas isn't infringing on anyone's rights here by stating his Christian beliefs though. He's just presenting his faith, which is well within his rights as an American.
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Nickolas 9 years, 5 months ago
Thank you tmeitner. CJCS, tmeitner is correct, I am just stating my beliefs. Some Christians (and other religions) believe that God has given the gift of life. Christians that state, "Its my life and this justifies my action" are going against what is in the Bible. My belief in God is mine alone, I cannot give you the gift of belief and it would be wrong for me to impose that belief upon you no matter the manner. I do not have that power, authority or right to do so. Sorry if you mistook my post otherwise.
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cjcs 9 years, 5 months ago
Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I should have done so as well. I think you have a very clear and fair view on the matter.
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Chet_Manly 9 years, 5 months ago
A tip of my hat to you for that explanation, especially the second and third to the last sentences. Mirrors my sentiments exactly!
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cjcs 9 years, 5 months ago
Absolutely, I didn't mean to imply that his beliefs infringe on anyone's rights. Rather, making legislation that effects everyone based on personal religious beliefs is unfair to those who disagree.
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emt-752 9 years, 5 months ago
I have mixed emotions about the issue. As an emt, I've been the last ride to the er for too many terminally ill people. No longer able to move, control my bowels and covered in tubes and leads is not the last sight I want to have for myself either. Bankrupting my family in a fight I can't win doesn't sound good either.
But I wouldn't want her sort of media attention. If I could chose how to leave this life, I would go knowing my wife is taken care of, bills are paid. Just her and I there. Let her face be the last thing I see.
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tmeitner 9 years, 5 months ago
Thanks for sharing this. It's definitely a difficult decision and not one I'd want to make.
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